bon voilà, essayons de faire avancer les choses. Si tout le monde continue de râler, c'est tout le système qui va s'écrouler.

le texte est là :

http://us.fotolia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12058

Bonjour Serge.
j'espère que je dérange pas,voici une traduction.

<td class=quote>for more legibility, I give your new text

cynoclub wrote:

</SPAN> <table cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width="90%" align=center border=0><tr><td>Gwendalina wrote:</TD></TR> <tr><td class=quote>For submission to Guillaume LEBLEIS, Director of the operations France Hello Guillaume, We allow ourselves to contact you following the advertisement of the installation of the new device of sale by subscription. The many reactions caused as well on the level of the US contributors as French should not have escaped to you. The surprise is large on both sides and of many contributors - and not of least are ready to withdraw their portfolios if no modification is made as soon as possible. Beyond of an obvious lack of communication between Fotolia and its contributors, it becomes clear that a certain tolerance level has just been exceeded by unsuited prices and the unflexibility of the device in question. Inadequacy of the prices subscription: The introduction of the formula subscription and its prices within the total tariffing of Fotolia appears completely unsuited. Indeed, until now, Fotolia was distinguished from the other microstocks by its formula of classification of the photographers with the possibility for each one of them of increasing their price with each stage so as to have a satisfactory remuneration all while maintaining a broad panel of purchasers interested by this operating process. In addition that corresponded perfectly to the vision of the Management of Fotolia which affirmed via Chad Bridwell, Direction of the US operations, at the time of the installation of the Infinite collection “… for example, has micro subscription model that sweaters down prices to 25 hundreds year image, decreases the overall dirty businesses and only provides shorts term benefits. ”… We are désappointés now in front of such a shift between the word and the action… As much the introduction the formula subscription within other image data bases to extremely low tariffs, does not generate imbalance because of a total tariffing it also very low, as much the application of such a device within Fotolia literally breaks the tariff scales applied up to now… In addition, the fact of reaching until the format L for the formula subscription makes it possible to cover a big part of the needs for the purchasers. In other words, there will be practically more no interest for the purchaser lambda and whatever his quantitative requirement in images not to choose the subscription. Under should these conditions, why such a formula interest only of new purchasers? It goes from, that is penalized by this device, which will be those place images of exclusiveness on Fotolia while refusing for questions in ethics of seeing selling off their work and of seeing disparaging the investment that they will have brought to Fotolia. The formula subscription is not in oneself to reject but other methods can be considered which take account of the tariff scales of Fotolia (for example to maintain the current prices with a gesture commercial of 10% or 20% of reduction according to a month's subscription or annual, reduction of the maximum size accessible by the subscription). If no change is brought following our requests, the risk is great to see an escape of the principal contributors disappointed overall by your fluctuating vision and your sales strategy… Thus in the medium and long term, the quality of the images can regress as quickly as it had progressed. Unflexibility of the device: The reaction of some of your principal US contributors is due mainly to the fact of impossibility for theexclusive ones of between-them of leaving the formula subscription and which it find thus “canibalized” (according to their own terms) by this device. Other image data bases also proposing the subscription do not impose this device on its contributors but leaves them the free choice choose or not this formula. It is only with this flexibility of operation that Fotolia will manage to satisfy its contributors. Not-valorization of the images of exclusiveness: Now, the images available to the subscription and those of the collection “Infinity” are highlighted by a symbol and a color which identify them. No mention or symbol makes it possible to differentiate and draw the attention to the images of exclusiveness. Isn't this paradoxical, that the exclusive images are the “poor relation” of Fotolia whereas it is they which make the difference with the other image data bases? We thus ask that there be no treatment difference on the level of the search engine between the various types of images of the bank and a valorization of the images of exclusiveness present on Fotolia. Impact of the installation of the subscription: Information given by one of your regulators on the US forum wanted to be reassuring: “I just want to reinsures you that after the first day off the Subscription, we cuts noticed that it represented less than 5% off purchases made. Our current customers cuts continued to purchase Credits for individual downloads. Give Although it is too early to definite results, we edge already see has trend which check our previous predictions; our subscription plan will attract new buyers. ....... In any box we shall to monitor it all very closely and will let you know more At the end off the week continues”… However certain contributors having usually regular and considerable incomes of affiliation already announced their dissatisfaction: practically more incomes of affiliation because the sales of their associates are done practically all within the framework of the subscription… You will admit easily that it is hardly compatible with your forecasts and your insurances. In addition, if that were checked, that would like to say that this type of device can literally explode the already fragile balance of the market of the image with all the negative consequences with the key. ________ Consequently, we kindly request to you to reconsider the device set up so that it corresponds to waitings of your contributors. To remain within the framework of a constructive exchange, here various elements that we propose to you: - To re-examine the tariffing of the subscription to the rise so that this one is compatible with the existing tariff scales of Fotolia - To limit the size of the images available to the subscription to formats XS, S and M maximum. - To give the possibility of choosing or not the option subscription for the not-exclusive images - To give the possibility of choosing or not the option photo subscription by photograph - To set up a system of valorization of the photographs placed of exclusiveness We thank you for the attention that you will grant to us while wishing to have a clear and precise answer to our various proposals. Very cordially, List names fotoliens concerned (in the case of a grouped sending) Bonsoir</TD></TR></TABLE>

[quote="rolero"]Bonjour Serge.
j'espère que je dérange pas,voici une traduction.

<td class=quote></SPAN>

For submission to Sirs Guillaume Bleis, Director of the operations France Chad Bridwell, Director of the US operations,

We allow ourselves to contact you following the advertisement of the installation of the new device of sale by subscription. The many reactions caused as well on the level of the US contributors as French should not have escaped to you. The surprise is large on both sides and of many contributors - and not of least are ready to withdraw their portfolios if no modification is made as soon as possible. Beyond of an obvious lack of communication between Fotolia and its contributors, it becomes clear that a certain tolerance level has just been exceeded by unsuited prices and the unflexibility of the device in question. Inadequacy of the prices subscription: The introduction of the formula subscription and its prices within the total tariffing of Fotolia appears completely unsuited. Indeed, until now, Fotolia was distinguished from the other microstocks by its formula of classification of the photographers with the possibility for each one of them of increasing their price with each stage so as to have a satisfactory remuneration all while maintaining a broad panel of purchasers interested by this operating process. In addition that corresponded perfectly to the vision of the Management of Fotolia which affirmed via Chad Bridwell, Direction of the US operations, at the time of the installation of the Infinite collection “… for example, has micro subscription model that sweaters down prices to 25 hundreds year image, decreases the overall dirty businesses and only provides shorts term benefits. ”… We are désappointés now in front of such a shift between the word and the action… As much the introduction the formula subscription within other image data bases to extremely low tariffs, does not generate imbalance because of a total tariffing it also very low, as much the application of such a device within Fotolia literally breaks the tariff scales applied up to now… In addition, the fact of reaching until the format L for the formula subscription makes it possible to cover a big part of the needs for the purchasers. In other words, there will be practically more no interest for the purchaser lambda and whatever his quantitative requirement in images not to choose the subscription. Under should these conditions, why such a formula interest only of new purchasers? It goes from, that is penalized by this device, which will be those place images of exclusiveness on Fotolia while refusing for questions in ethics of seeing selling off their work and of seeing disparaging the investment that they will have brought to Fotolia. The formula subscription is not in oneself to reject but other methods can be considered which take account of the tariff scales of Fotolia (for example to maintain the current prices with a gesture commercial of 10% or 20% of reduction according to a month's subscription or annual, reduction of the maximum size accessible by the subscription). If no change is brought following our requests, the risk is great to see an escape of the principal contributors disappointed overall by your fluctuating vision and your sales strategy… Thus in the medium and long term, the quality of the images can regress as quickly as it had progressed. Unflexibility of the device: The reaction of some of your principal US contributors is due mainly to the fact of impossibility for theexclusive ones of between-them of leaving the formula subscription and which it find thus “canibalized” (according to their own terms) by this device. Other image data bases also proposing the subscription do not impose this device on its contributors but leaves them the free choice choose or not this formula. It is only with this flexibility of operation that Fotolia will manage to satisfy its contributors. Not-valorization of the images of exclusiveness: Now, the images available to the subscription and those of the collection “Infinity” are highlighted by a symbol and a color which identify them. No mention or symbol makes it possible to differentiate and draw the attention to the images of exclusiveness. Isn't this paradoxical, that the exclusive images are the “poor relation” of Fotolia whereas it is they which make the difference with the other image data bases? We thus ask that there be no treatment difference on the level of the search engine between the various types of images of the bank and a valorization of the images of exclusiveness present on Fotolia. Impact of the installation of the subscription: Information given by one of your regulators on the US forum wanted to be reassuring: “I just want to reinsures you that after the first day off the Subscription, we cuts noticed that it represented less than 5% off purchases made. Our current customers cuts continued to purchase Credits for individual downloads. Give Although it is too early to definite results, we edge already see has trend which check our previous predictions; our subscription plan will attract new buyers. ....... In any box we shall to monitor it all very closely and will let you know more At the end off the week continues”… However certain contributors having usually regular and considerable incomes of affiliation already announced their dissatisfaction: practically more incomes of affiliation because the sales of their associates are done practically all within the framework of the subscription… You will admit easily that it is hardly compatible with your forecasts and your insurances. In addition, if that were checked, that would like to say that this type of device can literally explode the already fragile balance of the market of the image with all the negative consequences with the key. ________ Consequently, we kindly request to you to reconsider the device set up so that it corresponds to waitings of your contributors. To remain within the framework of a constructive exchange, here various elements that we propose to you: - To re-examine the tariffing of the subscription to the rise so that this one is compatible with the existing tariff scales of Fotolia - To limit the size of the images available to the subscription to formats XS, S and M maximum. - To give the possibility of choosing or not the option subscription for the not-exclusive images - To give the possibility of choosing or not the option photo subscription by photograph - To set up a system of valorization of the photographs placed of exclusiveness We thank you for the attention that you will grant to us while wishing to have a clear and precise answer to our various proposals. Very cordially, List names fotoliens concerned (in the case of a grouped sending) Bonsoir j'espère que cela convient,refaite une traduction en francais éventuellement.

salut
je viens de lire votre message au sujet de fotolia et des changements qu'ils apportent.
Pour apporter ma pette pierre, je me suis permis de faire un lien sur votre texte à partir de mon blogue :
http://le-nomade.com/blog/?p=6

J'ai lu aussi la version anglaise et il me semble qu'il y a plusieurs erreurs de traductions ce qui change le sens même des phrases.

je n'ai pas la prétention d'être traducteur mais vivant au québec, j'ai l'habitude de ce langage.
si jamais vous ne trouviez personne, je vous enverrais les phrases litigieuses.

Merci

Bon , ben mon thread a été viré du forum US.
Pourtant j'avais mis des ....
Y pas à dire, on est ouvert chez FT
Sans commentaire...

@ Rolero : un grand merci pour la traduction

@lenomadcom (Philippe) : Oui, merci Philippe de nous traduire les phrases qui paraissent "litigieuses" et de placer le texte sur ton blog

@ Cphoto : la valorisation des images en exclusivité est quand même liée au fait qu'à présent ce sont les images non-exclusives en abonnement qui sont "valorisées", donc cela permettrait de rétablir un juste équilibre..

Oui le texte est un peu long, mais je suis sûre que les responsables le liront jusqu'au bout...

Ceci dit le texte traduit n'est pas la dernière version... le dernier paragraphe a été modifié : voir le post "version définitive"...

Bonjour
Voici une traduction faites par Internet ... Sans doute imparfaite le Français est une langue difficilement traductible


For the attention of Gentlemen
Guillaume Le Bleis, Director of Operations France
Chad Bridwell, Director of U.S. operations


Gentlemen,

We would make contact with you after the announcement of the introduction of the new device sales by subscription.

The numerous reactions to both contributors U.S. that French should not have escaped you.

The surprise is big on both sides and many contributors - and not least-are ready to withdraw their portfolios if no changes are made as soon as possible.

Beyond a lack of clear communication between Fotolia and its contributors, it becomes clear that a certain threshold of tolerance has been exceeded by inadequate price and the lack of flexibility of the device in question.

Inadequate price subscription:

The introduction of the formula and its subscription price within the overall pricing Fotolia is totally inadequate. Indeed, so far, Fotolia has distinguished itself from other microstocks by its ranking formula photographers with the opportunity for each of them to increase their prices at every level so as to have a satisfactory compensation while maintaining a wide range of buyers interested in this mode of operation.

In addition it corresponded perfectly with the vision of the Directorate Fotolia who claimed through Chad Bridwell, U.S. Operations Branch at the establishment of the collection Infinite "... for example, a micro subscription model that pulls down prices to 25 cents an image, decreases the overall business and only provides short term sales benefits. "…

We are disappointed now before such a gap between words and action…

So the introduction of the subscription form in other banks images at rates extremely low, does not generate imbalance as a result of overall pricing is also very low, especially the implementation of such a device Within Fotolia literally breaks the grid tariff applied so far, mainly for your contributors with images exclusively… The fact access to L format for subscription formula can cover a large share of needs buyers.

In other words, there will be virtually no interest to the buyer lambda and whatever its quantitative images need not opt for subscription. In these circumstances, why such a formula should not it interesting that new buyers?

Of course, the most penalized by this device will be those who put images on Fotolia exclusivity while refusing to matters of ethics to see selling their work and see disparage the investment they have made to Fotolia.

The subscription formula is not in itself but to reject other arrangements may be considered taking into account the fee schedule Fotolia, for example:
-- Maintain the current prices with a gesture of 10% or 20% discount based on a monthly or annual subscription
-- Reduction of the maximum size available by subscription

If there is no change as a result of our requests, the risk is great to see a leak of the main contributors generally disappointed by your vision and strategy fluctuating… Thus the medium and long term, the quality of the images may also regress it had progressed quickly.

Lack of flexibility of the device:

The reaction of many of your major contributors U.S. is due mainly to the inability for non-exclusive them out of the formula subscription and are thus "canibalisés" (based on their own terms) by this device.

Other banks offering images also do not subscribe this device to its contributors but leaves them free to choose whether to opt for this formula.

Only with this operational flexibility that Fotolia will be able to meet its contributors.

Non-recovery images exclusivity:

Now, images available for subscription and the collection "Infinite" are highlighted by a symbol and a colour which identify.

No mention or symbol can not differentiate and attract attention to the images exclusivity.

Is not it ironic that the exclusive images are the "poor relation" of Fotolia while they are the ones who make the difference with other banks images?

We therefore urge that there is no difference in treatment at the search engine between different types of images of the bank and a recovery images exclusively on Fotolia.

Impact of the introduction of subscription:

Information given by one of your forum moderators on the U.S. wanted reassuring:

"I just want to re-assure you that after the first day of the Subscription, we have noticed that it represented less than 5% of purchases made. Our current customers have continued to purchase Credits for single downloads.
Although it is too early to give definite results, we can already see a trend which verifies our previous predictions; our subscription plan will attract new buyers. ……. In any case we shall continue to monitor it all very closely and will let you know more at the end of the week "…

We would like all that indeed this new device does that new contributors, however, according to our analysis and as the subscription formula stands at present, it seems highly unlikely and it is becoming urgent to amend a number of elements so as not to see drag buyers in their vast majority to subscription…
__________

Accordingly, we kindly ask you to reconsider the arrangements put in place to match the expectations of your contributors.

To stay within the framework of a constructive exchange, here are the different elements that we offer:

-- Review pricing for the subscription up so that it becomes compatible with the existing fee schedule Fotolia

-- Limiting the size of images available to subscription formats XS, S and M maximum.

-- Provide the opportunity to opt-out option for subscription images non-exclusive

-- Provide the opportunity to opt-out option subscription photo by photo

-- Establish a system of recovering photos placed in exclusivity (search engine, symbol, color….)

Thank you for the attention you give to us wishing to have a clear and precise response to our proposals.

Thank you very much Maurice !!

Mon anglais ne me permet de dire si c'est fidèle comme traduction... attendons l'avis des spécialistes en la matière...

@ Serge : la communication n'est pas facile côté US... Il me semble avoir lu quelque part qu'il y a un forum indépendant aussi chez eux, non ?

@ Martine : je sais vraiment pas. Peut être des forums traitant de plusieurs microstocks ?
C'est vraiment dommage ce manque de communication vers les photographes. Niveau individuel, nous avons toujours des réponses aux questions et je ne peux qu'apprécier Guillaume et Charles. Mais quand cela concerne l'ensemble des relations Fotolia<->photographes , il y a comme un blocage. Un minimum de discussion permettrait d'avancer sans voir se multiplier les réactions que l'on voit.

Oui Serge, il ne s'agit pas de faire la guéguerre , ni de monter une mutinerie comme certains l'ont fait croire, mais de partager notre analyse et de proposer des adaptations... Donc la communication me semble essentielle également pour ne pas aboutir à une impasse et à un blocage...

pour info, les ventes par abonnements contribueront a augmenter le classement a concurrence de 4 ventes = 1 vente normale (je transmet juste l'info hein...)